What You Lose In Dialogue. by Dean Gotcher

What You Lose In Dialogue.
(Personal note.)

by
Dean Gotcher

In dialogue there is no father's/Father's authority, i.e., inheritance, posterity, history, tradition, unalienable rights, sovereignty, representation (representative government), limited government, local control, culture, heritage, absolutes (established commands, rules, facts, and truth), private convictions, private property, and private business, "limits and measures," being wrong, humbling, denying, dying to, disciplining, controlling of "self," contrition, repentance, forgiveness, salvation, conversion—redemption and reconciliation—(for doing wrong, disobeying, sinning), fellowship, etc. They are all missing (negated) in and through dialogue.

"A dialogue is essentially a conversation between equals." "The spirit of dialogue, is in short, the ability to hold many points of view in suspension, along with a primary interest in the creation of common meaning." (Bohm and Peat, Science, Order, and Creativity) In dialogue you have to suspend, as upon a cross any command, rule, fact, or truth that prevents, i.e., inhibits or blocks dialogue, i.e., sharing one's "feelings" ('likes,' 'dislikes') regarding established commands, rules, facts, and truth.

"In an ordinary discussion people usually hold relatively fixed positions and argue in favour of their views as they try to convince others to change." (ibid.) In a discussion, you have to suspend, as upon a cross your "feelings," i.e., your carnal desires of the 'moment' that the world stimulates (you have to humble, deny, die to, control, discipline your "self") in order to do right and not wrong according to established commands, rules, facts, and truth.

Only your carnal desires ("self interest") of the 'moment,' which are being stimulated by the world, i.e., by the current situation (and anyone manipulating it) are made manifest and 'justified' through dialogue. When dialogue is put into praxis, all the above are—by laws made through the consensus process—negated. All you have in dialogue is "the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life," i.e., only that which is "of the world."

"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world." 1 John 2:16

"And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God." Luke 16:15

In "doing what [you] want to do, not what [you] are forced to do ... the question of freedom never arises [you can lose your freedom and never know it] ." Carl Rogers

You can dialogue about all the trees in the garden in Eden, from which God commanded you to eat (which fruits you 'like' which ones you do not 'like'), but the 'moment' you dialogue about the tree he commanded you not to eat from you are in sin, 'justifying' your carnal nature ( "lusts") over and therefore against the authority of God, losing all that God has promised you in obedience, access to the tree of life, i.e., eternal life.

"We can achieve a sort of control under which the controlled though they are following a code much more scrupulously than was ever the case under the old system, nevertheless feel free. They are doing what they want to do, not what they are forced to do. That's the source of the tremendous power of positive reinforcement [through dialogue, hearing what you want to hear] —there's no restrain and no revolt. By a careful design, we control not the final behavior, but the inclination to behavior—the motives, the desires, the wishes. The curious thing is that in that case the question of freedom never arises." (Carl Rogers, on becoming a person: A Therapist View of Psychotherapy)

"We know how to change the opinions of an individual in a selected direction, without his ever becoming aware of the stimuli which changed his opinion." "We know how to influence the ... behavior of individuals by setting up conditions which provide satisfaction for needs of which they are unconscious, but which we have been able to determine." "If we have the power or authority to establish the necessary conditions, the predicted behaviors [ our potential ability to influence or control the behavior of groups] will follow." " We can choose to use our growing knowledge to enslave people in ways never dreamed of before, depersonalizing them, controlling them by means so carefully selected that they will perhaps never be aware of their loss of personhood." "' Now that we know how positive reinforcement works [dialoguing "feelings," i.e., "building relationship with others based upon common 'self interests,' i.e., common carnal desires"] , and why negative doesn't' [preaching, teaching, and discussing established commands, rules, facts, and truth in order to do/be right and not wrong according to them, being held accountable to them when we do wrong] ... 'we can be more deliberate and hence more successful in our cultural design." (ibid.)

It is why people try to get you into dialogue when you preach, teach, and discuss the truth with them, blaming you of being argumentative, i.e., of hurting their and others "feelings" when you persist—so they can do wrong, disobey, sin ( "lust") with impunity, i.e., without having a guilty conscience, not realizing what they are loosing in the process.

"For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?" Matthew 16:24-27

"What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet." Romans 7:7

"And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you ." 2 Peter 2:3 By gaining access to your "self interest," i.e., your carnal desires ("feelings") of the 'moment,' i.e., what you "covet" (through dialogue) using "feigned words," i.e., plastic words, Gr., giving you what you want to hear in order to gain your trust thereby being able to move you down their pathway, they are able to turn you into "human resource," i.e., "merchandise" so they can use you for their own pleasure and gain (profit), buying and selling your soul on the open market of trade—with your approval.

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." 2 Timothy 4:3, 4

Facilitators of 'change,' i.e., psychologists, i.e., behavioral "scientists," i.e., "group psychotherapists," i.e., Marxists (Transformational Marxists)—all being the same in method or formula—are using the dialoguing of opinions to a consensus (affirmation) process, i.e., dialectic 'reasoning' ('reasoning' from/through the students "feelings" of the 'moment,' i.e., from/through their "lust" for pleasure and their hate of restraint, in the "light" of their desire for group approval, i.e., affirmation and fear of group rejection) in the "group grade," "safe zone/space/place," "Don't be negative, be positive," soviet style, brainwashing (washing the father's/Father's authority from the children's thoughts and actions, i.e., "theory and practice," negating their having a guilty conscience, which the father's/father's authority engenders, for doing wrong, disobeying, sinning in the process—called "the negation of negation" since the father's/Father's authority and the guilty conscience, being negative to the child's carnal nature, is negated in dialogue—in dialogue, opinion, and the consensus process there is no father's/Father's authority), inductive 'reasoning' ('reasoning' from/through the students "feelings," i.e., their natural inclination to "lust" after the carnal pleasures of the 'moment'—dopamine emancipation—which the world stimulates, i.e., their "self interest," i.e., their "sense experience," selecting "appropriate information"—excluding, ignoring, or resisting, i.e., rejecting any "inappropriate" information, i.e., established command, rule, fact, or truth that gets in the way of their desired outcome, i.e., pleasure—in determining right from wrong behavior), "Bloom's Taxonomy," "affective domain," French Revolution (Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité) classroom "environment" in order (as in "new" world order) to 'liberate' children from parental authority, i.e., from the father's/Father's authority system (the Patriarchal Paradigm)—seducing, deceiving, and manipulating them as chickens, rats, and dogs, i.e., treating them as natural resource ("human resource") in order to convert them into 'liberals,' socialists, globalists, so they, 'justifying' their "self" before one another, can do wrong, disobey, sin, i.e., "lust" with impunity.

"Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein. Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken." Jeremiah 6:16, 17

Home schooling material, co-ops, conferences, etc., are joining in the same praxis, fulfilling Immanuel Kant's as well as Georg Hegel's, Karl Marx's, and Sigmund Freud's agenda of using the pattern or method of Genesis 3:1-6, i.e., "self" 'justification,' i.e., dialectic (dialogue) 'reasoning," i.e., 'reasoning' from/through your "feelings," i.e., your carnal desires of the 'moment' which are being stimulated by the world (including your desire for approval from others, with them affirming your carnal nature) in order to negate Hebrews 12:5-11, i.e., the father's/Father's authority, i.e., having to humble, deny, die to, control, discipline your "self" in order to do the father's/Father's will, negating Romans 7:14-25, i.e., your having a guilty conscience when you do wrong, disobey, sin, thereby negating your having to repent before the father/Father for your doing wrong, disobedience, sins—which is the real agenda.

"And for this cause [because men, as "children of disobedience," 'justify' their "self," i.e., 'justify' their love of "self" and the world, i.e., their love of the carnal pleasures of the 'moment' (dopamine emancipation) which the world stimulates over and therefore against the Father's authority] God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie [that pleasure is the standard for "good" instead of doing the Father's will] : That they all might be damned who believed not the truth [in the Father and in His Son, Jesus Christ] , but had pleasure in unrighteousness [in their "self" and the pleasures of the 'moment,' which the world stimulates] ." 2 Thessalonians 2:11, 12